May 4, 2011 at 11:47 am
Tom.Thomson (5/4/2011)
Well, only if I thought it likely that Ray spoke estuary English
True story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."
To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
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May 4, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Ray K (5/4/2011)
Tom.Thomson (5/4/2011)
Well, only if I thought it likely that Ray spoke estuary EnglishTrue story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."
To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
Was her name Dawn and you called her Dwon? 😀
Peter Trast
Microsoft Certified ...(insert many literal strings here)
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May 5, 2011 at 2:24 am
Peter Trast (5/4/2011)
Ray K (5/4/2011)
True story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
Was her name Dawn and you called her Dwon? 😀
Would that "Dwon" be New York Irish?
Tom
May 5, 2011 at 3:19 am
Peter Trast (5/4/2011)
Tom.Thomson (5/4/2011)
....Yes, the dialect range is quite amazing and very interesting. Unfortunately everything is tending to even down towards a common grammar, a common vocabulary, and a common pronunciation, the days when you could place someone within 15 miles by the way they spoke Scottish English are past and gone (but we haven't got right down to common everything yet, not in any of those three fields).
Well, in America I can definitely nail down someone from Long Island vs Brooklyn vs Northern New Jersey vs Philadelphia, all located with an hour's drive. Most people lump those into a "New York" or even ... ugh... a "New Yawk" accent as they call it in the midwest USA, a gross misunderstanding of the actual dialects. Even the midwest has a dozen accents, Kansas City alone has 3.
But it seems that Estuary is beginning to replace RP because of movies and TV, I think...
Yes, but these are very large speech communities. Placing someone within 15 miles in the Highlands of Scotland usually means placing him into a group of 2000 or fewer (usually much fewer) people. There are some population centres in the Highlands and Islands where there are more people than that in a 15 mile radius circle (InbhirNis/Inverness, An Gearasdan/Fort William, An t-Oban/Oban, Steornabhagh/Stornoway, PortRigh/Portree, Gairloch and maybe Ulapol/Ullapool and that's about it - Gairloch has about 250 people in the urban area, maybe 2600 within 15 miles, Ulapol is bigger than Gairloch but probably does not not have 2000 people within 15 miles, Lochinver is bigger than Gairloch but far fewer people within 15 miles, certainly not 2000, and nothing else comes near. Brooklyn alone (or Kansas City alone) has a population greater than the whole of the Highlands and the Hebrides put together - KC metropolitan area has 9 times the H&I population, Brooklyn has 14 times. The isolation used to make for conservative speech communities (particularly because English was not much used, although just about everybody could speak it), but the pervasiveness of Radio and TV (and much increased use of English) is changing that now (movies - other than shown on TV - don't have much effect; movie theatres are few and far between).
Tom
May 5, 2011 at 7:02 am
Tom.Thomson (5/5/2011)
Peter Trast (5/4/2011)
Ray K (5/4/2011)
True story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
Was her name Dawn and you called her Dwon? 😀
Would that "Dwon" be New York Irish?
Well, I'm from upstate New York. It's probably more like "Donn." 😀
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May 5, 2011 at 7:36 am
WOTD: Invariably
May 5, 2011 at 7:45 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/5/2011)
WOTD: Invariably
WOTD - Habitually
Joe
May 5, 2011 at 7:53 am
habitually
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May 5, 2011 at 10:02 am
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WOTD: InvariablyWOTD - Habitually
Joe
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May 5, 2011 at 10:11 am
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WOTD: InvariablyWOTD - Habitually
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monotonous
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SQL RNNR
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May 5, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Ray K (5/5/2011)
Tom.Thomson (5/5/2011)
Peter Trast (5/4/2011)
Ray K (5/4/2011)
True story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
Was her name Dawn and you called her Dwon? 😀
Would that "Dwon" be New York Irish?
Well, I'm from upstate New York. It's probably more like "Donn." 😀
I lived in upstate New York and the city for a few years. The Long Island accent would be more like more like Dwan; Donn would be more like a Chicago accent 🙂 It's really hard to write it though...
We will just have to chat about it at SQL Pass...
Peter Trast
Microsoft Certified ...(insert many literal strings here)
Microsoft Design Architect with Alexander Open Systems
May 5, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Peter Trast (5/5/2011)
Ray K (5/5/2011)
Tom.Thomson (5/5/2011)
Peter Trast (5/4/2011)
Ray K (5/4/2011)
True story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
Was her name Dawn and you called her Dwon? 😀
Would that "Dwon" be New York Irish?
Well, I'm from upstate New York. It's probably more like "Donn." 😀
I lived in upstate New York and the city for a few years. The Long Island accent would be more like more like Dwan; Donn would be more like a Chicago accent 🙂 It's really hard to write it though...
We will just have to chat about it at SQL Pass...
I'm originally from NJ and NYC. We just don't have vowels in our alphabet that capture NYC or NJ. But, yes, Manhattan, Long Island, Brooklyn, and Jersey all sound a little different. Philly's a whole other animal.
May 5, 2011 at 12:49 pm
sing4you (5/5/2011)
Peter Trast (5/5/2011)
Ray K (5/5/2011)
Tom.Thomson (5/5/2011)
Peter Trast (5/4/2011)
Ray K (5/4/2011)
True story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
Was her name Dawn and you called her Dwon? 😀
Would that "Dwon" be New York Irish?
Well, I'm from upstate New York. It's probably more like "Donn." 😀
I lived in upstate New York and the city for a few years. The Long Island accent would be more like more like Dwan; Donn would be more like a Chicago accent 🙂 It's really hard to write it though...
We will just have to chat about it at SQL Pass...
I'm originally from NJ and NYC. We just don't have vowels in our alphabet that capture NYC or NJ. But, yes, Manhattan, Long Island, Brooklyn, and Jersey all sound a little different. Philly's a whole other animal.
Yeah, after living in New York for a few years, I joined the Army and got stationed in Jersey, near Philly and starting picking out the Philly accent. The worst part of that accent is the "DTH" that gets substituted for the letter "D". We have a local weatherman in Kansas City who is from Philly. He was surprised when I nailed his accent after he mentioned that it was "partly cloudthy" outside... lol
Peter Trast
Microsoft Certified ...(insert many literal strings here)
Microsoft Design Architect with Alexander Open Systems
May 5, 2011 at 1:37 pm
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Peter Trast (5/4/2011)
Ray K (5/4/2011)
True story: years ago, I attended a baseball game in Boston (yes, dangerous for a Yankee fan! ;-)) where I struck up a conversation with the lady sitting next to me. After a while, she said to me: "you're from New York, aren't you?" I said, "yeah, how'd you know?" She said, "something you said. You definitely have a New York accent."To this day, that is the only time I've ever been told that I have any kind of accent!
Was her name Dawn and you called her Dwon? 😀
Would that "Dwon" be New York Irish?
Well, I'm from upstate New York. It's probably more like "Donn." 😀
I lived in upstate New York and the city for a few years. The Long Island accent would be more like more like Dwan; Donn would be more like a Chicago accent 🙂 It's really hard to write it though...
We will just have to chat about it at SQL Pass...
Hadn't noticed that one about Philly but I notice the flat "A"s.
I'm originally from NJ and NYC. We just don't have vowels in our alphabet that capture NYC or NJ. But, yes, Manhattan, Long Island, Brooklyn, and Jersey all sound a little different. Philly's a whole other animal.
Yeah, after living in New York for a few years, I joined the Army and got stationed in Jersey, near Philly and starting picking out the Philly accent. The worst part of that accent is the "DTH" that gets substituted for the letter "D". We have a local weatherman in Kansas City who is from Philly. He was surprised when I nailed his accent after he mentioned that it was "partly cloudthy" outside... lol
May 6, 2011 at 7:27 am
WOTD - noncoagulating
(nose bleed yesterday that would not quit...)
Joe
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